Biofilm Myths and Remedies

In this article we will address various types of biofilm, their remedies, and some myths revolving around biofilm. This information was taken from Combating Biofilms by James Schaller, the #1 selling book on the topic. Schaller was kind enough to answer some questions that I had, so those answers have also been provided here. I’ve also listed my 2 favorite Schaller friendly products at the end of the article. Living with Lyme Disease: combatting biofilm myths and remedies are important to learn.Schaller on biofilm myths and remedies

What is Biofilm?

“Biofilm” has become an ambiguous term that makes most of us think of bug slime. We are aware of some ways to get rid of it: avoid magnesium, sugar and fat; take enzymes and cyst-busting antimicrobials. We just don’t know where the research is to back these claims. Not all biofilms are created equal, yet we have very little guidance to help us distinguish one bacterial biofilm from another.

This is a subject I really wanted to explore so I started looking around Amazon for books on the subject. What I found were $139 texts outside of my price range, and then one affordable and highly useful paperback, Combating Biofilms by Dr. James Schaller–the highest and most rated text on the topic. So I read it, applied it and here are some useful pearls that helped me.

Why is Biofilm still a mystery?

Dr. Klinghardt, Dr. Mercola, and my own doctors mention the general importance of busting biofilm – period. In his book, Schaller explains that different bacteria create different types biofilm, and that they require different biofilm-busting agents. He compares biofilm-busting medications to keys, and makes the point that every lock needs a different key.

This kind of makes the Lyme gig a whole lot more complicated – as well as hopeful.

pssss the annual Lyme Summit is coming up!

Is biofilm a real problem?

You may be a skeptic because your general practitioner hasn’t even heard of biofilm.

The reality is that many “experts” believe they have done their due diligence in school and either think they were taught everything there is to know or are simply too busy practicing what they’ve learned to study the latest medical advancements.

Schaller reads 40 hours a week, and while it may be hard to mimic this, I encourage you to research as much as you can, because your doctors may not. A simple search of “biofilm human sickness” shows this is a top cause of illness and the average state of almost all bacteria.

If you look in the right places (university journals, medical journals, etc.) you may be surprised to find how much information proves biofilms can become impenetrable even to the strongest antibacterial agents.

Not all biofilms are created equal

If I could take away anything from Schaller’s book it would be these 3 things. First, our attempts at killing bacteria are undermined when biofilm is present. Sometimes, antibiotics don’t work. You seek out your doctor in desperation. The doc then switches you from one antibiotic to another, thinking this is your only option. Swapping antibiotics with no plan C ignores the dilemma of the impenetrable biofilm that bacteria can generate. “That is like trying to use a pea shooter to break down a steel wall,” Schaller says. Even chlorine cannot kill algae after the algae has taken over a pool of water.

Second, some infections produce a lot more biofilm than others. FL1953, a.k.a. Protomyxzoa rheumatica, creates huge amounts of biofilm. Lyme in its acute stage is reversible, but mature Lyme biofilm are laughing. Sialostatin L, a chemical in the tick’s saliva, can suppress the immune system so that the infection can really get to work.

And third, biofilm can be found anywhere. Teeth, lungs, sinuses, eyes, ears…head and shoulders, knees and toes…even medical equipment can have biofilm on it.

But not all is lost

Experts like Schaller and Buhner seem to be in consensus that we can get rid of a lot of biofilm, but there is no proven way to completely eradicate it. Schaller provides specific biofilm treatments for specific infections and medical troubles such as sinus infections and cystic fibrosis.

With Lyme, however, he seems to focus on eugenol, which is found in various forms in high concentrations in clove oil, nutmeg, cinnamon, basil, and bay leaf, with lower potency in celery and dill.  Schaller seems to hint that this is a direct Lyme biofilm treatment. Why hint? Schaller is the son of super-sued baby doctors or OB/GYNs, and also works hard to defend LLMDs, so he is careful about direct pronouncements for legal reasons in our present IDSA litigious climate.

Personally, if I feel healthy, I don’t fixate on the bug slime leftover in my body. Rather, I keep up with practices to keep it at bay, some of which you will find below.

Lyme Disease: Combatting Biofilm Myths and Remedies

We can actually spread infection when we release biofilm with biofilm-busters. For this problem Schaller recommends that we increase biofilm-busters gradually, use more than one antimicrobial, and pulse or stop treatments briefly if we feel overwhelmed with die-off. With this last option, sometimes antimicrobials that stopped working start working again. Sometimes they work at even lower doses because Lyme’s biofilm has decomposed. Think of a home after a hurricane—the water or killing agent can now get into the deeper rooms.

That said, never take a dose of anything that will make you feel persistently sick.

Essential oils, herbs, and foods for different types of biofilm

Below are some of my notes from Combating Biofilms. My concern for biofilm goes beyond Lyme. Schaller lists about thirty common or deadly troubles caused by biofilm. As Lyme patients we are used to blind spots. For example, indoor mold is an issue in 30% of USA structures but how many physicians learn this from their primarily drug-company-based education?

I also think having Lyme means we are all the more likely to contract additional pathogens. After I read this book, I started making more of an effort to de-slime and disinfect my sore throat—some cancers even come from biofilm mouth infections. Think about your sore spots and look at these biofilms as possible culprits and consider these possible treatments:

A note on Vitamin D

The active form of vitamin D regulates cathelicidan, a gene that aids immunity in general, and more specifically takes action against biofilms. So sufficient vitamin D is vital if you would like your own immune system to be able to kill pathogens (and get off those damn antibiotics one day).

Vitamin D is complex and has hundreds of receptors. Low levels may be a sign of Lyme’s presence while increasing cancer risk and the risk of thin bones. Higher levels of vitamin D may calm inflammations.

Effective antibiotics for biofilm

Nitroxoline is a quinolone antibiotic. Quinolones can cause tendon damage, and I have seen this happen to a good friend and my own mom. But quinolones easily enter cells and can be used to treat intracellular pathogens such as Mycoplasma pneumoniae. Azithromycin undermines four strains of P. gingivalis and MRSA biofilms.

Ineffective antibiotics for biofilm

Following doxycycline, amoxicillin, tigecycline and metronidazole, 70%-85% of bacteria were detected in biofilm colonies. Erythromycin and penicillin can also increase some biofilms. According to Schaller’s quotes of Dr. Eva Sapi, Tindamax is superior to Flagyl in hindering Lyme biofilms in lab research.

Should you cut out magnesium and fat?

Some experts advise us to cut these out, because they provide bacteria with the building blocks to create biofilm. What I would say to this is, ugh, everything feeds biofilm! I don’t believe in killing yourself in order to kill the bugs.

Candida albicans and FL1953 both use lots of fat to form biofilm. Schaller does not oppose or promote the reduction of fat, but emphasizes that some fat in the diet is needed for many biological functions.

Schaller acknowledged that magnesium can increase biofilm, but does not agree with some experts that it should be eliminated from our diets. “I respect those who make this point,” he says, “but I feel further reductions in poor intracellular magnesium levels would increase auto-immunity, inflammation, allergies, cancer, heart attacks and strokes.”

The more magnesium we have, the lower our many inflammation chemicals drop. And our anti-inflammation chemicals can increase over time also. For example, C-reactive protein (a protein associated with inflammation) is a routine simple chemical we have in our bodies, and its presence can be dropped by very high doses of IV magnesium over months.

I would rather have adequate magnesium so that the 300 enzymatic reactions that are supposed to happen in my body will happen, so I don’t have the shakes, so I feel happy and sleep well, and so my neurons and immune system can function properly. Putting myself in a weakened state (avoiding magnesium to kill the bugs) seems risky. I’m thinking of the long haul…what happens when you decide to get off antibiotics and your cells are magnesium deprived and therefore weaker and more fragile. A host of studies have enforced that the more magnesium inside a cell, the healthier the cell and tissue.

Schaller also mentions that sucrose feeds biofilm. I am not low carb like many Lymies, so this sticks out to me. Like magnesium, carbs are essential to fuel our bodies. I limit cane sugar, but I eat honey by the spoonful and make sure I eat enough carbs to refuel my body after workouts. This, too, is a trade-off I’ve made for a little extra biofilm. He mentions erythritol is a natural biofilm killing sugar with exceptional taste. (Aspartame he reports kills fire ants and is “scary.”)

Edit: The type of magnesium said to feed infections in particular is magnesium stearate.

In summary, Schaller tries to filter the best research and advance the field, offering information to patients and healers alike. Who is going to read a 700 page small print text? He offers biofilm options of wide diversity. This book is just one more example of the ILADS, LLMD or functional medicine world leading in serious medicine. Schaller has 13 books on tick infections including the first major human ones on Babesia, Bartonella, treatment resistant Lyme and three co-authored textbooks on indoor mold illness.

Finally, here are my 2 favorite Schaller-friendly products.

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I reintroduced carbs by having 1 tablespoon of this honey every morning before food or water

Manuka honey is high in methygloxyl, an antimicrobial- and oxygen-producing agent good for killing infections and biofilms. That’s why it’s the most expensive honey in the world.

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Awesome for ANY throat infection

Oregaspray is a great product with a lot of essential oils Schaller recommends for biofilm and infections. You can put it in nasal spray, mouthwash or use it as an air cleaner.

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20 thoughts on “Biofilm Myths and Remedies”

  1. If pathogens, like borellia, are bound up in biofilms, how do they get out to damage tissues? In other words, what is the borellia life cycle in relation to biofilms? Do they hibernate there and then venture out to pillage — under a full moon perhaps? Buhner says that biofilms can host many species, who exchange information, perhaps including dna. I wondered about this after cleaning out a nest of tropical cockroaches and then becoming violently ill for several days. Cockroaches it turns out have malevolent bacteria in their guts, much like ticks. They just lack an efficient delivery method for transmitting infections. Did I somehow get their dna blended in with my Lyme at the biofilm level? Am I now a carrier for a new species of roach/tick goo?
    Thanks, you really are an inspiration and truly amazing!

    1. Nyle, I’m learning new things with every one of your comments. I have no idea if roach goo would be able to set up shop in your body because of Lyme. If the bacteria is generally bad at transferring over to humans, then I would see how you feel after a few weeks of detoxing and then re-evaluate. These are good questions for James Schaller, but I’ll give them a shot. Evidence suggest that DNA is a major structural component of the extracellular matrix in biofilms. So we know that. DNA communicates with some enzymes to reduce biofilms, or things like competence-stimulating peptide (CSP) – sure. Can DNA combine with other DNA in matrixes? Hmm – scientists have been gene splicing for years in our GMO foods, so that makes the idea of some infections interacting to that level feasible, in my opinion. Maybe some are synergistic, and some work against each other – just like our gut bacteria. Regarding your question on how long the biolfilm lifecycle lasts – well, that’s another great question. Another question I can only offer an opinion on; Biofilm (in theory) protects bacteria so they can live in places they are not welcome – in hosts, and maybe even on surgical tools (re: Schaller). Healthy people host biofilms, but never know it. Sick people can host biofilms, and know it all too well. I think a healthy individual may* be more prone to have biofilms for longer than sick people, simply because, if biofilms are a defense mechanism, then what lies inside of them knows not to come out where it will deal with a tough immune system. Then who knows, maybe after x amount of time in hiding, it dies. Or it just keeps grabbing nutrients from our blood just like our cells! What baffles me is how they can communicate with our immune systems to gauge whether or not immunity is enough to kill’em. Perhaps its as simple as being malnourished from a lack of nutrients in the blood, and therefore disrupting in desperation to find food. What do you think?

      1. My library is in another country right now so I won’t be able to give precise citations. Schaller did a little book for the general public on biofilms, and I think there was a section there on coinfections, where he mentioned transgenic properties of either Babesia or Bartonella. Did I read there that this bacteria is used in genetic engineering?

        What is the feeding mechanism for organisms embedded in biofilms? It seems like we share this question. Are they functioning as macro cells, of ad hoc species? Are they proto-organs, organelles? Just as the micro biome within each of us is off the radar of conventional medicine, collaborative living systems like biofilm populations have no “standing”. Have you run into Dr. Eva Sapi’s work yet, and her associate, Dr. Macdonald? Both have excellent presentations about their lyme/biofilm research on youtube.
        My mind has been racing around the clock since I began reading your blog, and at this point I could write comments and questions for every post. It could become a real nuisance! Would it be better to do a paid consultation as a written correspondence?

        1. Nyle, I went on a youtube journey, checking out Dr. Sapi and a few other docs. I’m hearing experts say: bacteria team up together (not specific of which kinds); biofilms act like a single-celled organism; 500 to 5000 times the dosage indicated of antibiotics is needed to kill them; and antibiotic resistance and biofilms, though linked, are separate issues that need to be studied.

          I’m curious how these biofilms survive, but thinking about this more, the macro-cell theory seems quite reasonable, since the bacteria need to get fed one way or another. It still seems fishy, since that would make biofilms, essentially, goo-turned-Frankenstein.

          Feel free to tear up the comment sections on this blog. Or email me. Either way, I’d love to hear what connects with you and what, if anything, you disagree with. A paid consultation would be more about your medical history, but we can do that, too.

          1. Fishy, yes. Everything is ruled by orders of magnitude and limits to complexity. Giant mice and tiny elephants don’t work. We need to find a feeding method for biofilms or they are simply smudges on our microscopes. As communities, how do they apportion energy and material resources among members? Have you ever been to a City Council budget meeting?

            I’m not demanding answers from you, but we are both feeling that this is “curioser and curioser” as Alice said after passing through the looking glass. If biofilm theory emerges as a new paradigm that helps to organize odd assortments of puzzling data, we would have a new direction, say to a unitary treatment model. But so far we’re moving away from that, don’t you think? I mean, you are correct with your brilliant insight that metabolism is crucial for the Lyme victim. But we are being metabolized by Borellia. Why do we know so little about how and why? You suggest eating more meat, but part of the cruel puzzle of being human is that we are made out of meat. Nobody ever mentions that. But Borellia and friends enjoy a meat rich diet which happens to be us! More to follow by direct correspondence. As always, many thanks for this opportunity to share ideas!

      2. I agree, biofilm will hide out in a healthy body longer, waiting for opportune times which can be anything from when a woman takes birth control pills, some flu hits, extensive stress, pregnancy, dental work, etc. I could feel something going on in late teens after dental work, then birth control pill more symptoms, but subtle, felt more like emotional but now, late 40’s know it was actual infection in my chest, knee, hip, systemic. By now. It slowly spread until by time I figured it out it was debilitating. Would rather have had full on reactions in younger years!

        1. Jeannie, there are definitely pros and cons to getting sick in the younger years! But I don’t think it’s ever too late to make changes. Slow and steady (IMO) is the way to go at any age. It’s a lot of work to reduce something that has built up for years, and to build up something that has been lacking for years, but good things take time. Don’t worry too much about “getting rid of all biofilm” – we all have some.

  2. My dad has had ‘chronic sinusitis’-recurrent infections for 3 years. He had a 1/4 lung removal in the 80’s with no anti-fungal-meds due to C formans Cryptococcal infection. The infection was contracted from raising chickens altho, he wasn’t immune compromised at the time. He’s now presenting the same symptoms.I’ve been begging my mom to make him try DoctorsBest Proteolytic Enzymes, 1st then move to Serrapeptase. OR buy one of the bio-film cleanse kits which are sold by the NDs who formulate them. The ‘remedies’ offered by the drs are no help. They want a 77 y/o man who has terrible chronic pain to have repeated lumbar punctures. He’s already suffering painful injury because of the lumbar punctures from the 80’s and spent a year in a body cast(broken back- crushed disks)from falling at work.

    His quality-of-life’s already compromised. How can I convince my parents that there are natural enzymes and products which could truly aid his suffering,chronic infections and physical exhaustion? Do you have any sources or proof concerning C forman’s Cryptococcal infection (of the lung),chronic sinusitis and enzymes aiding these conditions? Also, when we do heavy metal cleanses with fresh Cilantro,we take Chlorella tablets 20 minutes before the Cilantro to prevent the metal particles from dislodging and traveling to the brain to lodge there.

    So, must any precautions be taken with the enzyme cleanses? Can dislodged particles also cross the BBB? Reading,reading,reading for days-weeks on this subject. Want to purchase the best products for my dad’s particular ailments. . Which protocols, products and or kits would be most beneficial for someone who has his issues & a weaker stomach? He’s often waking up soaked in sweat & vomiting.

    Repeated CT scans, xrays, LONG antibiotic courses, steroids are only worsening his health. The nearest ND is a 8 hour drive, one way. He cannot tolerate being in the car for 1/2 hour. I need advice to help my dad. I’m writing about this everywhere but few seem to understand c forman’s and are not able to advise or help. Thanks for reading. Hope for an educated response or sources of dependable info shared.

    1. Sorry. I forgot to add that about 10 years ago, my father was also diagnosed with Lyme’s Disease AND diverticulitis. He also has been diagnosed with ‘seasonal allergies’ which he receives weekly injections for. He was diagnosed a few tears ago with H Pylori. They had him on BP meds and statins for about 2-2 1/2 decades. They also had him on diuretics for enlarged prostate-excessive night time urination. He’s off of the BP meds & diuretics and recently stopped taking the statins. His liver’s already been damaged by a 2nd generation antibiotic. He has an ‘inner tremble’ that bothers him. Think I’ve remembered most of his history.Thanks again for reading.

      1. Hey Debra, your dad sounds like a tough guy, a little stubborn, too!
        It’s hard to give you an educated answer, because he’s got a lot going on between the various infections – not to mention all of the drugs, which may be helping, or may be worsening his conditions. Why is he on steroids? Corticosteroids (along with liver cirrhosis and a couple other things) are known to worsen Cryptococcosis. It sounds like you are eager to learn so I would recommend this course, provided by the U of Copenhagen. There is a ton of info out the about biofilm…yet I don’t know how trustworthy the current info is – I trust UofC to provide information that is at least backed by viable research methods.
        However, your dad may not be a candidate for enzymes. Biofilms, though indicative of infections, entrap infections and let our bodies rest from fighting. I wouldn’t start taking enzymes if my immune system was highly compromised and I had no way of fighting the infection than broken down biofilms could release. And since your dad has already taken long term antibiotics, it’s hard to say to go back on them to deal with what the enzymes release. He can try antimicrobial herbs with enzymes, but I think there are other baby steps to start with.
        For instance, I mention oregaspray at the end of this article – he could try one spray of that in a neti pot, twice a day – start dealing with chronic sinusitis first. This would be a localized treatment as opposed to attacking infections all over the body (exhausting, especially to someone reluctant and already exhausted), yet it would also help things systemically as a nasal infection can be swallowed into the body and create a systemic infection anyways. I think if he tried an antibacterial/biofilm busting nasal spray, and tried a few things to detox all those dugs/infections – go for a walk, sweat, believe it or not coffee tends to help livers release bile (hence why many people swear by coffee enemas!), and simple things like nourishment, rest, de-stressing, laughing. If he notices an improvement with the nasal spray, maybe he will be willing to try more. I think enzymes are a step for later – a few weeks or months from now when he is feeling a bit stronger. It sounds like biofilm can be a part of the picture, but it is not the entire picture. He also has stomach issues, and had a lot of healing to do in many ways and he can start tackling his nose, his gut, and lethargy now. The more energy he has, the stronger his immune system will become, as well.

        1. Grateful for your kind & thorough reply, Ms Yessi. Already completed the preliminary requirements for the course, you’ve suggested. Thank you! Cryptococcal disease is much more complex than I’d realized. Writing down all of the terminology so I can learn it, to understand the course/reports/studies & blogs.
          My dad started taking ‘Detox’ by soloray & a pharma grade Milkthistle(solgar), today. He’s not currently on antibiotics or steroids. They were courses that they’ve tried, previously with no results/improvements. We did encapsulate (zane hellas brand) wild oil of oregano eo (2 drops per capsule)with coconut oil which indeed helped him then he stopped taking it.
          Learned that C neoforman’s can’t survive in an alkaline environment & also see that oxygen kills the obligate aerobe. Much better results come from searching;
          ‘C neoformans’ instead of just ‘cryptococcal infection’, to find more in-depth info. Saw today that the C neoforman’s has at least 2 subtypes. We don’t have detailed information or lab results.
          I hadn’t heard of the oregano biofilm nasal spray. What a great suggestion. Both my mom & I have been preparing healthy meals of organic,vegan-vegetarian nature with mindfulness to balance plant proteins/complete proteins. He’s eating fresh (mostly organic)fruits/veggies/nuts/legumes,etc.. Need to copy a chart of ‘high alkaline foods’.
          He does love to walk in the woods behind our home BUT they’re lousy with ticks and it seems he’s a tick magnet. He loves to garden/work outside but was warned of avoiding ‘damp places’ and digging around in the dirt. Still, he does it.
          Again, I appreciate your blog, your kindness and most valuable advice. I’ll be sure to share your various articles on sm. You’ve helped me a lot.

          Stay blessed, dee

          1. He’s lucky to have you and your mom. And hey, if hey if he insists on going for walks despite being a tick-magnet, so be it. My grandma has insisted on drinking beer everyday despite being in rough shape since I’ve known her and she’s still alive and kicking. Oregano is a safe bet, I think. It worked for him once, you can try in orally and as a nasal spray for round 2. Thanks for the appreciation Dee 🙂

          2. Good morning, Yessi. I haven’t read your book or The Disease Solution, yet but I want to. It’s frustrating to know that naturopathic solutions are available yet there are no practitioners near us. So it seems the only remedy is to learn as much as we can ourselves. I appreciate all of your attention, suggestions, advice & help.

        2. Do you have any products listed that I can buy or a company that you work with for commission? I do need, to get more of the Detox & MilkThistle,non-gmo lipo Vit C, & hopefully there’s a nasal-spray version of the Oregaspray….or can be poured into one…
          I’ve just read that you’re a Certified Natural Health Products/Supplements Advisor. I’d never heard of this before. How cool! I don’t see any products listed on this site but may be overlooking them. I normally buy from vitacost for the reason, they seem to have most everything in stock that we’re looking for. My mom’s also a member of YoungLiving so buys most of her products from them. Please let me know if you sell any or all of these or similar products. I’d prefer to buy from you if possible. Thanks again.

          1. Hey again! You can spray oregaspray into the water used for a neti rinse. I can recommend you other herbs and vitamins but I do not actually sell products. Just another blogger! If I do promote anything, I usually stick to Amazon links because their prices are hard to beat. If you use antimicrobials, I think nutramedix is a comprehensible program to follow, too. But vitacost.com has a great selection.
            A CNPA is a Canadian thing offered through 1 of the two naturopathic colleges we have up here. It helps with the blogging and coaching big time. Have you read my book, Debra? You might enjoy it. Also “The Disease Delusion” covers a lot of grounds when it comes to all the different systems working in (or out of) sync, and since your dad has multiple issues, this book might also be informative to you.

  3. Hi Yessi!

    Our conversation about biofilms ended over a year ago. I’m still on your mailing list and got a heads up about a new comment on this thread. I read back through and decided to give you an update.

    About the time of my last post here I was told that I would be blind from glaucoma in 18 months. I can no longer drive a car but can still read and to some extent recognize faces. I believe the diagnosis was incorrect and that my vision problems are Lyme related. Specifically I think biofilm has invaded my corneas and partially blocked the light pathway. It could also be that biofilm has entered the “plumbing raceway” behind the retina and caused edema that blocks retinal nutrition. I’m still working on a program and would appreciate any suggestions.

    Except in my specific case, I’m not sure biofilm is a big problem in Lyme. Information is scarce, but I have read that the central population in a colony receives little nutrition and is primarily dormant. the outer members are most vulnerable to attack. I think biofilms are often metabolically hibernating and functioning primarily as seed packets. The aggregate damage that they do may be low compared to planktonic pathogens.

    Enzymes are chemical catalysts that require specific ranges of ph and temperature to function. You mention Lysozyme, which is a good example. It requires the acidic environment of a microscopic stomach, called a Lysosome, where elevated acidity is maintained. This in turn requires a fairly complex feeding pathway that directs mostly dead tissue into the Lysosome to be dissolved for recycling. I have a lot of experience with serrapeptase variants for industrial use in silk processing, and am generally skeptical that enzymes will find the correct environment in the body to be effective when ingested orally.

    My current theory is that fungal filaments, much like mushroom psyllium in leaf litter, connect injury sites in the body, digesting and recycling scar tissue. I believe these are information pathways with electromagnetic footprints that pathogens follow, like animal trails or more correctly perhaps like current carrying electrical wires. I call this web of fungal fibers and attached pathogens the “dark meridians”. I’m starting to think that biofilms will abate or disappear when we modulate deep fungal webs.

    Biofilms are a huge problem in eye disease, for the most part introduced during eye surgery or by contact lenses. Controlling eye biofilms is an industry that is kept secret because if people knew the real risks of eye procedures they would not consent to them. Medical coverup — sound familiar?

    Will keep you posted. Suggestions most welcome! Thanks!

    1. Nyle, I definitely remember our conversations. You opened my eyes to eyes and Lyme. I am hesitant to make recommendations to you, mainly because I have a strong feeling you will have tried it! I think that there are many treatment options for systemic Lyme, and that it can only help to maintain good health in as many areas that you can control – that boosting energy, metabolism, reducing body infections and biofilm will all make an impact on your eyes. But allopathically, I can only speculate, and I wonder if you have tried and eye drops that are both antibacterial and biofilm busting (and I already anticipate your answer). I wish I could suggest for you to “see a specialist” but I think we both know that may be terrible advice. If there are no good eye drops, than I would try a compress soaked in GFSE or oregano, as well as a nasal spray to clean out that general area. On top of that I’d hit up my body with IV ozone and UV irradiation if a systemic infection is also a problem (and I just make quick assumptions that any chronic infection in the body evolves into a systemic one). I wish I could give you better advice Nyle. I wish there was a good resource I could point you towards instead of forums like LymeNet and HealingWell where people share their guinea pigging stories about what worked and what didn’t. A lot of people with a spectrum of physical ailments seem to like bee venom, too. I haven’t tried it yet, but I would.

      1. Your thoughtfulness is exceeded only by your intelligence, Yessi. I will look into your excellent suggestions. Be well!

  4. I am also experiencing vision issues related to what I believe is Lyme biofilms in some way. I am starting on antibiotics and using herbals. Trying to stay optimistic that technology and research will catch up and uncover new ways to defeat biofilms.

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